[dan85]

Ok, everyone here it is. People have been bugging me in the For Sale section. There are going to be alot of problems with the Ltr's. It all starts with the fuel cock assembly located underneath the gas tank. Thats where the fuel is turned from on or off. Inside, is a very fine filter. Somehow, because where it is located, dirt is getting in there. From there, it feeds to the fuel pump. Inside the fuel pump is a filter, located at the bottom. Once the fuel cock gets dirt in it, the dirt goes to the fuel pump. From the pump it gets to the throttle body and the injectors. This messes up the entire fuel system. None of these parts are going to be available for along time. They are going to be very costly. U can't just by that filter in the fuel cock assembly, u must buy the whole thing. Its around $200 and not available. Same for injectors and fuel pump. Alot of the pros and pro am guys are havin the same problems. Team Suzuki knows of these problems, but u wanna know what they do. Gust and Jones get a knew bike every race now, so they never encounter these problems. At the WPSA Tour in Kentucky, Jason Dunkelberger had to race Doug Gusts practice bike, because no one knew how to find the problem and or fix it. Team Suzuki and Kevin at LLC have a special code reader to find out problems with the LTR's. They will be just about the only ones to get these. No Suzuki dealers. Thats great. So if u dont want this to happen, after evry ride u must take the fuel cock assembly out and clean the filter. I'll bet everyone of u anything that ur filters will be brown when u open it up. Trust me. Then take the fuel pump apart and clean the filter in there. Also every other ride, put fuel injector cleaner in the gas tank. Anyone not taking this seriously, should. This ain't no joke. I race every national, except this one because my bike sucks, iknow alot of people and this is the talk with eveyone racin them. Also, just like the Z400 with the clutch cover problems, the LTRs have them too. Why do u think people that dont even have hinson clutches are runnin there covers. But Suzuki hasn't told anybody about that yet. Then the stupid frame problem. There are two more things but i can't let anybody else know until Monday. Thanks alot fr reading this. I don't wanna anybody replying to this with little bull shit. I dont need to deal with it. I know what i know and i figured i would share it with u guys first, since were all in this together.Thanks
Dan

 

[hotfishez]

" Somehow from where it is located " It is a primary filter, it is there to filter the crap out of the fuel, that is pretty much the only way the dirt gets in there as is the second stage filter to stop the smaller crap from getting through. It aint no conspiracy. "Preventative maintenance" Keep fuel cans clean, flush them out occasionally I do a major overhaul on my bikes and this is something that is part of it...........

I ride in extremely dusty situations and at the end of the day, just need to make sure my go go juice is clean before it goes in and take extra precautions to make sure you dont get crap in the system.

With all due respect old mate, you dont want little bull shit responses but you are making bloody mountains out of molehills enciting some sort of conspiracy theory and generally and picking the shit out of a bike that 99% of owners are happy with.
You don't like it well that is up to you but personally, I dont care much for shit stirring posts.

 

[dan85]

Hey buddy,I use a funnel with the outerwear on it so no dirt gets in my gas. I have one of the cleanest ltr's around and i maintenance the hell out of it. Ask Kyle from Cernics, he has the same problem. And like i said Team Suzuki, LLC< Luburg and Creech have all had these problems, and i think they know what they are doing.

 

[benltr]

okok i read all of what u said, but i still cant understand why there is that much problem with the lt-r, we still didnt heard anything about this...

 

[hotfishez]

Im not saying you dont know what your doing but I have looked at the filter setup and i cant see how the crap gets in there other than through the fuel. My filters are clean and like I said I ride in extremely dusty areas and all I can put it down to is taking extra care when fuelling up and it is the same for the rest of us up this way. Is crap getting into the system another way, fuel tank breather? I run a small filter on it.
How else?? That is the question!

 

[dan85]

I dont know. Suzuki isn't releasing any info till they know.

 

[Talon]

I'm with you hotfishez. Forget about Suzuki. Forget about the LT-R450. It's a simple situation - The only way dirt is going to get to the primary filter, on ANY engine, is from the fuel tank. No other way. I'm sorry, but it isn't going to just suck through the fuel line walls by some majic osmosis process and clog up the primary filter. Maybe your fuel cap and vent sucks and dirt and dust is getting in there.

I have a REALLY hard time believing that Gust and Jones get a brand new quad for every race. This is a ridiculous statement. Gust has head work, cams, among other things, and are you trying to tell us that a brand new quad with this exact setup is built for every race? Sorry. No way. Suzuki is smart enough to NOT spend over $20,000 per race on a new bikes when they could fix a simple filter problem for $50.

What is your purpose for stirring up all this crap anyway? What are you trying to achieve here?

 

[fatv]

FIRST OFF lets not get all fired up ...... DAN85 great info and heads up. I think DAN85 is in an extreme minority as far as he is ridding very hard and often. For the recreational rider this will mean more work to keep the bike in good running order. The sooner we have this info the better we can stay on top of it. I for one will be checking my filters asap.


FUELATV

 

[dan85]

Why dont u ask Paul Turner, u want his phone number? They race on the biek once and practice on it once after that. The a arms and shocks get about 3 races on them along with other little bolt on stuff. Or maybe u wanna hang out in there trailers. Come to the next national with me and find out. Im not trying to start shit but thats what u people look at it as. Get off the computer and get to the track and find out. Racin is my life. I work to race. There is so much u dont even know about team suzuki. They keep so much on the hush hush. Hey, i love my ltr when its runnin right. Im leading 3 different districts b classes, so i know im doing good on it. Its a good machine but there are issues that must be worked out. So take it or leave it mr know it all. i just trying to be nice and let everyone know, because Kevin @LLC, Paul Turner(Gust mechanic), Ryan Cox(Jones mechanic), Wayne Hinson, Dunk, they all said its gonna happen to just about every machine if it is not taken care of by cleaning those filters.

 

[MXQuadRacer]

To be honest...those guys do have new equipment every race. Suzuki can and does spend the money, that's all apart of the illustrious factory ride. Motors pushed to that extreme aren't made to be reliable, they're made to make it through a weekend. They're timebombs waiting to explode, and for that reason; they start fresh.

Come on now guys; don't look at Dan's post here in the wrong way. It may seem like he's coming off as attacking your new 7000$+ investment but he's not, let's take the information he has and apply it, ok? Think the Cannondale owners bent over when problems surfaced on their bikes? No, and that's why they're community is as tight as it is.

We more than have the brains here, let's solve this problem...

 

[hotfishez]

Well I will be keeping a close eye on the filters and if there is a problem, lets hope we find it.
Thats what the forum is here for isn't it, to comunicate info?
Remember, Suzuki get the bulk of their info from warranty repairs and feed back from us. If these guys get new bikes every race, well how the hell are they supposed to report back to Suzuki with longer term faults.
It is up to us to find the faults, have it fixed under warranty and then Suzuki decide if a recall is necessary or not. All fault information is taken into consideration for following years models so in the long term it is in our best interest to have these faults adressed by the dealers and Suzuki corp.

 

[Morgan]

Why dont u ask Paul Turner, u want his phone number? They race on the biek once and practice on it once after that. The a arms and shocks get about 3 races on them along with other little bolt on stuff. Or maybe u wanna hang out in there trailers. Come to the next national with me and find out. Im not trying to start shit but thats what u people look at it as. Get off the computer and get to the track and find out. Racin is my life. I work to race. There is so much u dont even know about team suzuki. They keep so much on the hush hush. Hey, i love my ltr when its runnin right. Im leading 3 different districts b classes, so i know im doing good on it. Its a good machine but there are issues that must be worked out. So take it or leave it mr know it all. i just trying to be nice and let everyone know, because Kevin @LLC, Paul Turner(Gust mechanic), Ryan Cox(Jones mechanic), Wayne Hinson, Dunk, they all said its gonna happen to just about every machine if it is not taken care of by cleaning those filters.
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State the facts only. Dont come on here and try to blow out others' candles to make yours burn brighter.

 

[MXQuadRacer]

State the facts only. Dont come on here and try to blow out others' candles to make yours burn brighter.
[/b]

Just another heads up, I can see this turning sour quick; let's keep it peaceful guys

 

[dan85]

I am done with this site. It ain't even worth it anymore. These people are crazy. Its amazing how big some guys balls are while hes typing at a computer. Good luck everyone.

 

[SandJunkie]

Oh for Pete's sakes...just go buy one of these...they are on SummitRacing.com

You all should know how crappy the gas we buy these days is anyways...at $4.00 a gallon for sludge? You think the gas companies are gonna complain? The best offense is a good defense...besides...it's something else for the bling factor...

As far as some Suzuki conspriracy? First off...yes I have raced...not motorcycles but several cars and a good amount of trophies. These teams first responsibilty is to win...NOT R&D for the warranty department. If a problem comes up?...they solve it and plan for the future. If any problem occurs MORE than once? Shame on them for not solving it and we all know what that means...usually a loss....enough losses? They will be looking for a job. I have a difficult time believeing that a simple fuel filter isn't common knowledge but hey? It could happen...and like I said...doom on them.

That being said...put yourself in the warranty department's shoes..."Hello, warranty department, Joe speaking...you say there might be a problem with dirt in the fuel lines?....geee...you guys ride for the factory right?....and in HUGE amounts of dirt you say?...uh huh....almost every day of the week?..uh huh...yes I'm writing this down...and there's dirt flying EVERYWHERE you say...uh huh...and your NOT running a fuel filter (starts to laugh here)...no no...thats not a laugh...I have been sick and I was clearing my throat...yes yes..I am listening...so you think we should issue a recall on EVERY LTR450? (insert belly laugh here)...oh no I'm not laughing at you...we have a morning radio comedy on and they just cracked a joke...sorry...you were saying something about a INTERNATIONAL recall on all LTR450's?....(drops to knees and almost can't take anymore)...no no...I'm seriously NOT laughing at you...my friend just blew milk out of his nose...uh huh...NO we haven't heard from ANY LTR owners besides you guys...yes...we have been monitoring the forums when we can...nope...not even that guy from Australia in the outback...nope....not even that crazy SandJunkie jackass...yea..I agree he is funny at times and I can't wait to see the video of him getting beat by a girl...ok back to your problem about the recall...yes we will get right on it....NO NO...I'm not laughing...whats that?...you say your check this week is pink instead of the usual green?...ok...thats Human Resources department...yes..have a nice weekend"

Get the picture?

 

[AL Elks]

Here's the million dollar question.

Are they running pump gass or race fuel? I've heard of race fuel breaking down the filters and the filters clogging the injectors. This is entirely possible!

 

[fatv]

Here's the million dollar question.

Are they running pump gass or race fuel? I've heard of race fuel breaking down the filters and the filters clogging the injetors. This is entirely possible!
[/b]

VERY GOOD point. DAN85 has gave us some good info ..... dont bash the guy. Thanks for the heads up dan85.


FUELATV

 

[benltr]

al elks is genious...

 

[Morgan]

Here's the million dollar question.

Are they running pump gass or race fuel? I've heard of race fuel breaking down the filters and the filters clogging the injetors. This is entirely possible!
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Beat me to it.

 

[ltr450RR]

alright everyone just quit being assholes to dans85! He's just trying to help out fellow ltr owners...All i want to do is fix this damn problem!! I don't want to read anymore bashes against dans85...this is starting to get worse than r-central.net...sandjunkie do you think that lil inline filter will do the trick? I usually use a filtered funnel for my fuel and I only use 93 and dont plan on race fuel...