You know what was funny! My dealer said they had to move the 450r away from it because they had them both sitting next to each other out front and they had been moving the 450r's regularly but since they got the LTR in (a week ago it was a preorder but he hasn't picked it up yet???) they have had almost no interest in the 450r just questions on how hard it will be to get them another ltr! Thats what he claims??