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I have seen a couple of guys with starting issues -- let's try to use this thread.

I went out this weekend for my second ride. After my first break -- tried to start -- NOTHING.
Battery power - yes -- BUT No starter turning. I checked the fuse... thought about the roll-over switch.

I found my problem. The relay on the clutch perch was loose -- doesn't seem to be making a good connection. It is used to keep the starter from engaging without the clutch lever pulled in. I am going to remove mine. If you trace the wire back down to just in front of the handlebar mount, there is a clip/plug.
I am going to cut just below - splice the wires togehter -- eliminating the need for a relay.

Keep in mind if you do this. The starter WILL engage without the clutch pulled in -- jerk you froward.
So use the clutch or put it in N.

Hope this helps some of you other guys.

Stacy
 

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Solid information there...I disabled the clutch relay as well on my yfz

Have been quite a few people with starting problems lately, but I haven't seen many people report what caused the problem yet. This could be a very informative thread
 

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Thats good stuff to know :D
 

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i understand the plug you are talking about but what exactly are you going to do with it.
 

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i understand the plug you are talking about but what exactly are you going to do with it.
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I am going to snip the wires just below the plug, tie the 2 wires together with a small wire-nut and wrap with electric tape. Then just remove the section attached to the clutch. It is the same thing you would do if you went to an aftermarket clutch perch. The relay system is not "needed" -- it is just a safety feature.

If you want to test this theory ---

Un-plug, use something to make a loop-connection (contact to contact) inside the plug -- such as a paper clip -- you can use a small piece of folded paper, etc. to help apply pressure to the clip so that it makes good contact.

Please let us know if this solves your problem.
 

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i just tried that on my quad and its still not starting just the click
 

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i just tried that on my quad and its still not starting just the click
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from what i remember -- yoshi4 - had the same symptoms as me -- battery good -- NO click, No starter engagement. A clicking is usually the sign of a weak battery. Check the connections. Have you tried charging OR testing it ? Or possibly using jumper cables ? (it is better to jump from a similar size battery)
 

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I had a problem too, but one of my wires wasn't tight, but now it's fine.
 

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Here is a PM I rec. I wanted to keep the info on here.



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Hey man whats up my bike doesnt start either but i was wondering if you can explain to me where the relay is not making a connection by the perch. what is it next to or what does it run along with. Thanks, please write back Josh......[/b]
It has a round/cylinder rubber cover attached to the perch. From the cable -- look towards the handlebars.
There are two lines -- the clutch cable and that "safety start" line.
If you still have your parking brake lever installed -- there is that line as well.
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If I pull the rubber cover off is that where the switch will be? I think that maybe the problem because right before it stopped working I had just finished putting fasst flex bars on the bike so maybe it lost good connction when I did that? What did you do to fix yours? Some people say to cut the wire and splice them together to get rid of the problem. Whats your info on the best solution? Thanks again, Josh[/b][/quote]

I am going to post this into the thread (starting problems) so other people can get info from it.

But -- yes. Same thing happened to me. I put my Flexx bars on. That rubber part is hitting the bar. You can loosen the lever -- push on that part -- to make a good connection -- and it will probably start.

That is the wire that needs to be spliced together. It doesn't matter if you leave that on the perch. What matters is coming FROM the other direction. Think about that as the "switch" -- we are going to cut the wire BEFORE the "switch" -- and splice together. So it doesn't matter if the "switch" is on or off. We are ALWAYS on.
You can leave it there or take it off -- doesn't matter -- it's usless.

If you trace the wire back down towards the bar clamp -- There is a clip/plug.
Unplug it. The part COMING up from the BIKE -- I am cutting that off, splicing together. The top part -- connected to the lever is now -- bypassed -- useless -- trim the wire up to the lever, remove the whole thing -- doesn't matter.

GOOD LUCK

And let us know if it solves your problem.
 

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You may want to check your compression when trying to start the quad. A suzuki tech told be that they're having problems with the decompression mechanism on the exhaust cam. He said a lot of people are having this problem. If the bike doesn't try to start he said this could be the problem. I hope that us ltr owners don't have another first problem glitch to deal with. I had alot of down time with the broken frame ordeal.
 

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did you get the starter problem fixed ????


Yep sure did it was ust the damn flexx bars putting pressure on the switch. I'm glad that it was easy because quick fixes never happen for me. Thanks for the info
Josh



I rec. a pm from josh -- that was his prob. Glad I could help josh --

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I know this thread is older but I am having similar problems now with my 07 LTR. It won't start initially. It may take anywhere from 3-10 seconds before it makes even the slightest noise to start and then starts fine. There is that DELAY. I haven't changed handlebars but my e-brake has been removed for about 3 months now. But since my last race I adjusted the positioning of the clutch level and starter for my comfort and I am wondering if this is the issue. I just cant pin point when it started. UGH!!!!
 

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ok guys, i have a diffrent problem, ( stay with me )

i just recently purchased an 07 ltr 450 from my local shop. sounds good right? so we take the lights off parking brake off etc etc, put a kill switch on. and we do an initial test fire. and we have spark, gass is flowing. but it WONT START. so i turn the key on. one click, i wait 2 more seconds another click. it kills itself, it energizes on the first click to 12 volts, then it kills itself to negative 2. we tryed disconnecting the killswitch but same thing. it just wont turn over. i have no idea what the problem is so if you guys could give me your best feedback it would be greatly appreciated.

thanks guys.

Ian.
 

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BEHOLD THE POWERS OF GOOD PEOPLE PASSING ON GOOD INFORMATION!!! :first: I was just having the same problems with the Clutch sensor doodad and it was driving me nuts because I checked everything the fuzes, battery, and starter. I decided to get on here and search to see if it was a common problem. Sure enough I went out to my quad and jiggled the connector and sure enough it cranked. Thanks guys.


If you can't tell I am a little thrilled that it isn't something expensive. LOL
 

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I'm having a similiar problem, but slightly different it seems. Bike has good handlebar lights when you turn it on, but it has the single click when you start it. Every now and again it seems like it will want to turn over, battery was kept charged all winter as well. Haven't tried yet, but am going to switch my buddies z400 battery and try to see if it works....we'll see. Any ideas? Battery??
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ds33gt @ Mar 13 2008, 10:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I'm having a similiar problem, but slightly different it seems. Bike has good handlebar lights when you turn it on, but it has the single click when you start it. Every now and again it seems like it will want to turn over, battery was kept charged all winter as well. Haven't tried yet, but am going to switch my buddies z400 battery and try to see if it works....we'll see. Any ideas? Battery??[/b]
I'm kinda having the same problem. I just finished putting my quad back together from the winter rebuild. It starter up twice for like 3-4 seconds but didn't want to rut AT ALL. Now it's like you described, turn on switch and all sounds good any dummy lights come on normal and i hit the starter button and it does like a half turn over, hit it again and half turn over, third time just a click. I went ahead and got a new battery and it's doing the same thing.

Any help????? maybe starter locked up????
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Woody 329 @ Mar 31 2008, 01:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I'm kinda having the same problem. I just finished putting my quad back together from the winter rebuild. It starter up twice for like 3-4 seconds but didn't want to rut AT ALL. Now it's like you described, turn on switch and all sounds good any dummy lights come on normal and i hit the starter button and it does like a half turn over, hit it again and half turn over, third time just a click. I went ahead and got a new battery and it's doing the same thing.

Any help????? maybe starter locked up????[/b]
yup check your starter, the starter motor on these quads are weak? this is
suzuki's major downfall in engineering these quads. the starter motor suzuki
designed cannot handle the compression of the huge engine.
hope this helps
:rolleyes: peace
 

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I tooo am having starting issues.
from the top>
last year i burnt my starter up. well not me. but where the lead goes into the starter it is all soldierd together and the soldier melted off leaving me with no connections. warranty fixed that.
got it together. a few months down the road same deal. starter burnt up good this time. but it was partialy my fauilt.. the fuel filter was clogged an i kept cranking the starter until it couldnt handle it and it fried. oh well live an learn

no after the winter rebuild. the motor is completely built. piston, cams, so on an so forth.
i can start it up no problem cold. but once she gets a bit warm. no dice. it will click an give a slow crank . but will not start.. if i leave it sit for a few minutes. it cranks slowly but will fire up. after i swear an threaten to burn it ..
not sure where to go with this one but I am going to give the entire electrical system an overhaul to see exactly my problem.
but after reading one post. it may be the decompression system not working correctly.?
 

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my 06 starts great when its cold ride till its at runing temp when its a running temp it will start but its bery hard to start i have had to charge the battery one time in a year and half i have herd that the batterys are junk just wanting to know if anyone has had this promblem thanks
 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (djvolume @ Jun 19 2006, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I have seen a couple of guys with starting issues -- let's try to use this thread.

I went out this weekend for my second ride. After my first break -- tried to start -- NOTHING.
Battery power - yes -- BUT No starter turning. I checked the fuse... thought about the roll-over switch.

I found my problem. The relay on the clutch perch was loose -- doesn't seem to be making a good connection. It is used to keep the starter from engaging without the clutch lever pulled in. I am going to remove mine. If you trace the wire back down to just in front of the handlebar mount, there is a clip/plug.
I am going to cut just below - splice the wires togehter -- eliminating the need for a relay.

Keep in mind if you do this. The starter WILL engage without the clutch pulled in -- jerk you froward.
So use the clutch or put it in N.

Hope this helps some of you other guys.

Stacy[/b]
awesome topic i had it up on lt-r450central for bout a week and no one would help me out then i found this site. This was exactly my prob my clutch sensor was up real tight againt my teather bracket. did what you said and works like a charm. Im glad cause it was going to my mechanic next week just save money. Your awesome thanks alot
 
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