[fatv]

I think the PIM will make more power.


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[usedtobeadmin]

Depends, whats the pim have that the cherry bomb doesnt?

 

[fatv]

well the PIM should have mapping better suited for an after market pipe. we will soon find out......

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[djvolume]

this is the $$$ question I have been waiting on Steve to answer.

Also - how much will it differ from pipe to pipe.
From the dyno's --
It looks like HMF built there pipe to work with the CRBM.
DASA looks like its ready for more fuel from a controller.
As for Yoshi ... it's there product .... if it doesn't make more hp -- they are kicking themselves in the A$$ for releasing the $40 bomb first.

I know FUEL gonna hook us up !!!! .... a full comparison......with sheets ....by the end of the week --

 

[hinkle]

i learned a lot of FI, on turbo cars, before owning a Ltr. One of the cheapest ways to modify the fuel was a S-AFC (air/fuel controller) it allowed you to adjust fuel to air per 100 rpm, but then you could get into stand alones and adjust any thing you want, fuel, spark etc.. for those that dont know. I think I understand what all the pims/commanders are doing, opening up or useing the factor installed fuel maps or the manufactors maps(correct?). What i dont understand is why they only choose to follow what is givin in the factory computer. Don't get me wrong, these machines are extremely crazy and fast with these fuel maps but with the ability to adjust accordly to what the machine needs w/o become rich would give you more power than just dumping fuel, thats in a turbo thou, i don't know if this applies to a n/a motor. I know some you have a few chooses from but not like a real stand alone. A standalone would be mean undescribable potential with just minimal modification.

I try to find as much modifications i can online but i'm probably not looking in the right places, has someone found a stand alone? i know the price would drastically increase over the yosh and dyna but it would be well worth it because that allows you to run the most power,reliably and thats what we all want... a fast machine that will last.

 

[fatv]

Out of all of the pipes tested the DASA WILL benefit most and make EVEN more power by adding more fuel. Now does the PIM add more fuel then the Cherry Bomb ........ stay tuned.


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[SandJunkie]

I think I already know from my experience BUT...I'm gonna wait for the results...

 

[Rich S]

I think I already know from my experience BUT...I'm gonna wait for the results...
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SAFC and PIMs are pretty much the same..... they alter sensor signals to trick the computer into doing what you want.

The SAFC alters MAP or MAF sensor voltages to trick the ECU into dumping more or less fuel.

The PIM is basicly doing the same thing. Its not the best way to tune but it is very cost effective. Another cheap way to richen things up would be to raise the fuel pressure.... but that raises it across the board which can make a motor actually lose power in some areas.


However I thought Yosh's PIM was to have seperately stored maps kinda like a piggy-back ECU.


But on the topic, The PIM should make more power since you can fuel it according to what the motor needs. Where the CBRM is simply a resistor that apparently just switches the ECU to a seperatly stored basemap. Basemaps are fine for general purpose and keeping things safe. But the PIM should really help a ton since you will be able to not only tune to the best for your parts list but also for your altitude.

I had the hardest time with the CBRM up in the Cinders. The motor had a hard time Idleing and would die quite often (way too rich). So I unplugged it and it ran fine on the low end, but suffered up top when I was racing. Thats where the PIM could have trimmed the bottom end and left the top end alone.

 

[djvolume]

That's what I got out of the info.

From the factory, there are 2 maps.
The CRBM re-routes to use the factory "race-map".

I think the PIM has 2 additional maps to work with THEIR pipe -- 1 w/ sparky -- 1 w/out
Then -- You use the FIMAK to alter those maps -- if you need fine tuning or make addtional mods.
So.... the PIM maps are setup to be IDEAL with the RS pipe. If you are running another pipe -- such as DASA -- that is lean with the "factory race map" , it may be lean with the PIM map. BUT
You can alter it with the FIMAK --- Feed it more fuel.

The A/F on the HMF looks GREAT with just he CRBM. That's why I said it looks like they built it to run on that "factory race map" . Which they probably did -- to get the MOST HP out of that map.

Since DASA started lean. The air-flow is there.
Put on a High-Flow filter -- more air.
Add the PIM -- then tune it with the FIMAK ---- or comparable units.
THAT is going to be THE system with the MOST HP. Just gonna be $$$$.

 

[fatv]

Well said ..... i will know just how much more power the DASA gets with the PIM over the cherry bomb next weekend. DAMN i cannot wait to get my bike back.


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[[email protected]$$Rider]

i am 100% sure the pim will make more power than the cherrybomb can't wait to see how much more power the dasa makes with pim.

 

[OKTRX450R]

Steve, are you getting your bike tomorrow?

 

[06mxltr]

so is the power commander, the trinithy thing and all that other stuff, just like the fimak? or do they hoook up into the quad?


p.s i didn't build my bike i just race it so i dont really know shit about it

 

[fatv]

Rob ..... bike is not done, but i did get the 350pv installed in the wifes bike.

Dobeck makes efi controllers for HMF, ALBA, Trinity, and some other companys ...... dont buy one of these.

Yoshi - FIMAK - must have both PIM and FIMAK to adjust mapping. EXSPENSIVE but good.

Power Commander - Best bang for the buck - must have a lap op to adjust mapping.

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