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Any of you guys ice race?
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We've studded and hit up a few local lakes (lord knows Minnesota has plenty), but never got into the organized ice races. Am somewhat interested in giving it a go though...never looked into it much, what organizations put on the ice races?
Riding sheer ice is a whole different type of feeling (especially non-studded), being able to 360 at WOT is a rush.
Riding sheer ice is a whole different type of feeling (especially non-studded), being able to 360 at WOT is a rush.
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Now THAT sounds like a kick in the ass!!!
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I'd hit that everyday of the week and twice on Sunday... :lol:
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I'd hit that everyday of the week and twice on Sunday... :lol:
RuffNeck- yeah there should be organized racing down in your NECK of the woods.(from Pontiac myself and have family in Holly and Fenton) AMA D-14 always had organized events in the years past so I would think they still do. I never raced Lower Mich Local Ice, just the AMA National when it was held there. I raced for years here in Da' U.P. aye'., at local organized club races. Mostly raced Wis. events for better money.
Wisconsin has a huge organized club for ice racing! Central Wisconsin Ice Racing Assoc.(CWIRA). They hold events all over Wis., mostly North Central and Western. They also held 2 of the AMA National races at big fairgrounds and the Eagle River Snowmobile Derby Track. 2 of the years I won 97'&01',LOL. Check them out at their website CWIRA.com they have all types of classes from pee-wee to pro studded& non-stud. Even a bike class with no studs!!! LMAO. Talk about a kick in the ass!!! It is very well organized w/ rules and points.
Minnesota also has some organized racing as well I just never made it out that way. Yet?? I know you can call Darryl at Rath Racing to find out for sure. So there's yer' sign.
Wisconsin has a huge organized club for ice racing! Central Wisconsin Ice Racing Assoc.(CWIRA). They hold events all over Wis., mostly North Central and Western. They also held 2 of the AMA National races at big fairgrounds and the Eagle River Snowmobile Derby Track. 2 of the years I won 97'&01',LOL. Check them out at their website CWIRA.com they have all types of classes from pee-wee to pro studded& non-stud. Even a bike class with no studs!!! LMAO. Talk about a kick in the ass!!! It is very well organized w/ rules and points.
Minnesota also has some organized racing as well I just never made it out that way. Yet?? I know you can call Darryl at Rath Racing to find out for sure. So there's yer' sign.
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Bikes with no studs?Even a bike class with no studs!!! LMAO. Talk about a kick in the ass!!! It is very well organized w/ rules and points.
Minnesota also has some organized racing as well I just never made it out that way. Yet?? I know you can call Darryl at Rath Racing to find out for sure. So there's yer' sign.
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I couldn't even get our 50 to start moving on the ice...starting on dry land is the only way I ever got it moving over the ice and I slid out as soon as I turned a little. Could never see bringing the rmz out there :blink:Personally, I'm giving Daryl a call as soon as October hits; great guy who definitely knows his stuff. If you make it down to Minnesota this year, I may see you out there Rad. Then again, we make a trip up to the Negaunee/Ishpeming area every year too
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Good deal, thanks guys. I think I'm gonna give her ago this winter. I wanna hit up some supermoto stuff to.
Good Luck Neck!, LOL. Some pretty fast ice racers down that way if they still run. Would like to try the super-moto stuff myself. I raced in Lower Mich. alot thru mid-90's. They had an arena-cross outdoor series at fairgrounds and an off-road stadium type out-door series at fairgrounds all over the lower like the Pace races now. Trucks and buggies and all. You didn't have to be as in shape like for M-X. It did help to hone in your skills though.
Yep Daryl is a real good ice racer in Minn. probably from all his T-T knowledge. He can hook you up for sure! Literally, he has some really wild tire studding techniques and diff. patterns. Have yet to race him on the Ice though, it would be a battle I'm sure!!
M-XQuadracer what in thee hail(heck) are you doing up there in Neg-a-Knee,drinkin' probably thats all there is to do up there. LOL.
Yes Bikes with no studs in CWIRA at least they did, D-14 has a few diff. classes of bikes without studded tires, even sidecars studded and non-studded. They use an Enduro type Trials tire similar to what the studded bikes use and they "MEGA" sipe the knobs. I mean they use a machine to literally shred the tire surface. The knobbie still has it's shape and size and depth, but it is, for lack of other words shredded. Like a hundred thousand or whatever little rubber spikes.They used this machine("The Tractionizer") on car tires years ago,supposedly for winter snow tires.
CWIRA has several ATV "rubber"(lol) classes, and the fast guys get real serious! It used to be Turf Tamer
tires back in the day then the Pro Wedge2 -vs- Turfs, then super siped Turf's. Now believe it or not the trend for the fast classes is Hoosier Tri-Trac(triangle pattern),or the new Hoosier square checkerboard pattern they use for T-T racing, they claim it's the fastest set-up they have found. Must be the super soft tire compound, idunno? It might be for glare(hard) ice conditions instead of slush(soft) ice where the Pro-Wedge might be better. They don't shred the tires like the bikes do. In any case these Quads get moving real good for no-studs especially in the softer ice. I kid you not some of the fastest ATV non-stud are three wheelers actually! Unbeliveable controlled "slideways" action thru the corners and wheelies down the straights! They actually seperate the 3&4 wheelers for some classes and have Quad only cause' the 3-wheelers are so fast!
How's that for a kick in the A$$. :huh:
It did help to hone in your skills though.Yep Daryl is a real good ice racer in Minn. probably from all his T-T knowledge. He can hook you up for sure! Literally, he has some really wild tire studding techniques and diff. patterns. Have yet to race him on the Ice though, it would be a battle I'm sure!!
M-XQuadracer what in thee hail(heck) are you doing up there in Neg-a-Knee,drinkin' probably thats all there is to do up there. LOL.
Yes Bikes with no studs in CWIRA at least they did, D-14 has a few diff. classes of bikes without studded tires, even sidecars studded and non-studded. They use an Enduro type Trials tire similar to what the studded bikes use and they "MEGA" sipe the knobs. I mean they use a machine to literally shred the tire surface. The knobbie still has it's shape and size and depth, but it is, for lack of other words shredded. Like a hundred thousand or whatever little rubber spikes.They used this machine("The Tractionizer") on car tires years ago,supposedly for winter snow tires.
CWIRA has several ATV "rubber"(lol) classes, and the fast guys get real serious! It used to be Turf Tamer
tires back in the day then the Pro Wedge2 -vs- Turfs, then super siped Turf's. Now believe it or not the trend for the fast classes is Hoosier Tri-Trac(triangle pattern),or the new Hoosier square checkerboard pattern they use for T-T racing, they claim it's the fastest set-up they have found. Must be the super soft tire compound, idunno? It might be for glare(hard) ice conditions instead of slush(soft) ice where the Pro-Wedge might be better. They don't shred the tires like the bikes do. In any case these Quads get moving real good for no-studs especially in the softer ice. I kid you not some of the fastest ATV non-stud are three wheelers actually! Unbeliveable controlled "slideways" action thru the corners and wheelies down the straights! They actually seperate the 3&4 wheelers for some classes and have Quad only cause' the 3-wheelers are so fast!
How's that for a kick in the A$$. :huh:
I've ice raced a few times up here in MN is a good time. I did'nt do much had a bad winter for it last year and my yfz sucks in the winter not that it didnt in the summer but its alot worse in the winter. But this year want to make it to as many as i can. Oh yeah for non studded racing take a set of 20inch turf tamers and sharpen the smooth side of a hacksaw and cut 2 slits in every knob straight across with enough power you can wheely on ice with those tires. At lest it worked well two years ago but the bigest thing with nonstudded is trottle control you could cut you tires get so hoosier race tire or all that other jazz but it all come down to throttle control cause you corner with your throttle and weght distrabution. Much harder than studded racing.
I have raced bare tire in colorado since 1987 If you want to ice race you have to adjust for conditions if the ice is hard hoosier tires work best but if it is soft or has any snow your better off with turf tamers. then you start playing around with the tire pressures in the fronts i run 1.5 lbs in the rear I'll run anywhere between 1-5lbs depending on the ice and tire i am using. Plan on spending some time with a razor geting the tires ready you can also use a soldering iron to groove your tires but it stinks and if your wifes home your gonna hear all about it :huh:
Can worn tires still be studded well, or do you basically need newer tires for the studs to work properly? Is there any other special equipment you need besides your riding gear and a teather strap?
Seems like a relatively inexpensive form of racing to get into, plus its a good way to get in some riding during winter. :scoot:
Thanks for the advice :cheers:
Seems like a relatively inexpensive form of racing to get into, plus its a good way to get in some riding during winter. :scoot:
Thanks for the advice :cheers:
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i have iceraced for 5 or 6 years now
to ice race you need brand new tires to stud up or you will be just wasting you time with putting studs in old tires and you have to use special tires to
to ice race you need brand new tires to stud up or you will be just wasting you time with putting studs in old tires and you have to use special tires to
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sounds like fun
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its damb fun but also damb cold hehe
The best overall Rear tire to use is the Cheng Shin #C826 18x9.5x8, others have tried diff. ones but most use this tire. The Cheng is a real stiff knobbie and hard compound, it holds studs the best. Unless you get into plastic nuts on the inside on each stud thread. I've seen others try Turf's and whatnot but they do not hold the studs well, and even with plastic nuts the knob is softer and moves around too much for cornering. Most ice racing is on ovals 1/4 mile to 1/2 mile. There are some clubs that run a T-T course with no jumps, just turns. Chengs are relatively inexpensive, for the performance you can't hardly beat them. I've even seen some Cheng tires guys have cut the corners off of and made like pyramid shaped knobs,and used plastic nuts inside. Really good for slushy soft ice tracks. Most use a 1" Original Gold Screw, it goes thru the carcass and stays in even without the plastic nuts. The Original Gold Screw is a rounded cup shaped hex head, the cup can actually be sharpened with a steel burr die grinder bit to make them like razors. Thats not Legal in AMA sanctioned racing so thats where the Kold Kutter is a better choice. You can't really sharpen the Kolds they have a more "V" shape cup and are super hardened. AMA doesn't allow any screw modification, one slot per stud, no sharpening, ect... Non-AMA type series like CWIRA and others allow it.
Front tires are mostly the same way but have seen a few Diff. tires work good. Just a tire with a stiffer type of knob to hold the studs usually is best, unless you put the nuts to it.
Whewww! Ummm if that doesn't sound like a porno script, idunno
Knobs, nuts, screws, cups, and studs.... jayyyyyysus keeeeeerice
CarcAsses, slots, "V"s, and slush, WTF ? :lol:
Front tires are mostly the same way but have seen a few Diff. tires work good. Just a tire with a stiffer type of knob to hold the studs usually is best, unless you put the nuts to it.
Whewww! Ummm if that doesn't sound like a porno script, idunno
Knobs, nuts, screws, cups, and studs.... jayyyyyysus keeeeeerice
CarcAsses, slots, "V"s, and slush, WTF ? :lol:
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actually now im getting new nuts they are nylon incerts with a aluminum shell so they cannot expand
and i also heard that most of cwira s guys are going to swiras events this year because cwira is going down hill
and i also heard that most of cwira s guys are going to swiras events this year because cwira is going down hill
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i dont know it asa fact but the guy up at rossier told my pops.. as for the nuts were going to go pick some up either tonite or tommorow and put em on we get ready kinda early i know
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That's good stuff right there :lol:
Cali boys have their paddle discussions, now THIS is stuff I understand. I think I'm going to give the Cheng Shing tires a try as soon as things start frosting up
I'm new to the organized ice racing game, but besides a stiff knobby (ohh boy) it wouldn't take much to turn an MX bike into an ice racer right? Sit plenty low with about 2.5" of GC up front and about an inch in the rear - about 50" wide. Any of the guys run roll-bars or anything of that sort?
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