Hey guys, anyone here using or have any experience with a Dynojet Power Commander? my suzuki dealer is scmooooozing me because of a bad service problem i had with them (thats a whole different post). im just curios if anyone has used or using one. is 150$ installed and programmed. any input would be great, it seems theres a wide variety of experience here and i value that. thanks in advance
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If you can actually get a PC for $150 and mapped I would do it in a heartbeat.. I just got my PC and taking it to the Dyno tomorrow.. It has broadest adjustment range and is a VERY common tuner.. Very popular with streetbikes/harleys... You will have no problems finding someone to dyno/tune your bike..
If you are serious about tuning, I would get the PC instead of PIM/FIMAK.. Future mods are going to require much more elaborate fuel maps etc and the PC is going to be the only one that can do it..
Also, I ride from sea level all the way up to 10,000 ft so I need to be able to change custom maps quickly and the PC lets me do that..
My .02
If you are serious about tuning, I would get the PC instead of PIM/FIMAK.. Future mods are going to require much more elaborate fuel maps etc and the PC is going to be the only one that can do it..
Also, I ride from sea level all the way up to 10,000 ft so I need to be able to change custom maps quickly and the PC lets me do that..
My .02
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Id get it too. I just bought mine programmed for $259.00 and I had to put it in.....However it was nothing to put it...took about 15 min is all......
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Installed AND mapped?...dude...I'd hit that everyday of the week and twice on Sunday... 
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All I have is a pipe, proflow dont PLAN on doing any internal enginwork but hey I like it.......
Givess me some more go....and I like go!! :scoot:
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With the PC you can alter any maps as soon as you download them into your laptop...then load them straight to your PC...or leave the PC on the bike and tune with the laptop...either or...
Thanks Junk but not really what I was looking for...the PIMM will hold 2 maps in itself and I can easily take the FIMAK along if I feel the need.
Either way I hope people do not just download a map, start manipulating it then load it and head off into the sunset...you have to measure what is coming out the other end of the equation. Honestly these programmers are pretty scary, you can destroy your motor if you do not know what you are doing and good ole Suzuki or whoever made the programmer will be given the blame.
How often do you think you will be switching maps? It is 70* today so run your 70* map? It is 100* today so run your 100* map?
The statement regarding much more elaborate fuel maps is what I am interested in...I have no idea but say the FIMAK will only allow a +10 on fueling at a given point will the PC allow +20 instead? Is it a 1:1 ratio between the units?
I have heard the PC will adjust fuel at every 250 rpm increment and the FIMAK will adjust at every 1,000 increment. Honestly I can not see the need to adjust in any more detail then the 1,000 increments. On every machine before this you jetted the entire rpm range of 0-11,200 (on my trx) with 3 circuits (pilot, needle, and main) and I have a pretty nice looking A/F trace...so with the FIMAK I can adjust 10 circuits for a 0-10,000 range...What will I gain with 40 circuits to adjust instead of 10?
I am not trying to bash anyone with either unit...just trying to provoke more active disussion instead of just saying one is better then the other with no validity.
Either way I hope people do not just download a map, start manipulating it then load it and head off into the sunset...you have to measure what is coming out the other end of the equation. Honestly these programmers are pretty scary, you can destroy your motor if you do not know what you are doing and good ole Suzuki or whoever made the programmer will be given the blame.
How often do you think you will be switching maps? It is 70* today so run your 70* map? It is 100* today so run your 100* map?
The statement regarding much more elaborate fuel maps is what I am interested in...I have no idea but say the FIMAK will only allow a +10 on fueling at a given point will the PC allow +20 instead? Is it a 1:1 ratio between the units?
I have heard the PC will adjust fuel at every 250 rpm increment and the FIMAK will adjust at every 1,000 increment. Honestly I can not see the need to adjust in any more detail then the 1,000 increments. On every machine before this you jetted the entire rpm range of 0-11,200 (on my trx) with 3 circuits (pilot, needle, and main) and I have a pretty nice looking A/F trace...so with the FIMAK I can adjust 10 circuits for a 0-10,000 range...What will I gain with 40 circuits to adjust instead of 10?
I am not trying to bash anyone with either unit...just trying to provoke more active disussion instead of just saying one is better then the other with no validity.
This is my thoughts exactly. I have helped my buddy tuning in his Cannondale before and believe me, you can screw up a map quicker than you'd imagine if you don't know what you are doing. The bike will run like crap and you will be in a mess. I'd only learn with the FIMAK on a dyno.
Also, I'd like more backup as to why the PC is better than the yoshi setup other than costs.
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OK..yepp your right...and personally I can't see any reason why I would want to mess with my controller once I have it dialed in. SO here's what I have for information. In asking Dan about a window of operation (mainly because I still think there's a window that these bikes operate in) he told me that yes the computer jumps up in incremental adjustments based on the measurements it recieves..
SO say the temperature goes up? The computer in the bike will adjust in pre-written adjustments (that we have no control over) like add 10% across the board. We're still not sure of what the jumps are in terms of percentages/numbers. Since these numbers are pre-written into the computer his take is this...
Get the thing running as best you can and go enjoy it. The difference is about 4 hours on a dyno verses 1 hour...and they are positive that unless you were born in the saddle of one of these things? Most of us will never be able to tell the difference...
So the suggestion was to download the maps...make a couple of adjustments based on your needs...then go have fun...
But..I'm sure there is another view point..
SO say the temperature goes up? The computer in the bike will adjust in pre-written adjustments (that we have no control over) like add 10% across the board. We're still not sure of what the jumps are in terms of percentages/numbers. Since these numbers are pre-written into the computer his take is this...
Get the thing running as best you can and go enjoy it. The difference is about 4 hours on a dyno verses 1 hour...and they are positive that unless you were born in the saddle of one of these things? Most of us will never be able to tell the difference...
So the suggestion was to download the maps...make a couple of adjustments based on your needs...then go have fun...
But..I'm sure there is another view point..
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Haha I am too tired to reply tonight Some good thoughts though guys!
Some good thoughts though guys!
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As usual all of you guys gave me the info i needed. i ordered the pc ($150 installed and programmed) and looking forward to seeing the results. my local dealer is putting in a dyno, there trying to get more racing involved, ill keep you posted.....Thanks
That's odd. I can't even find one for that price, let alone get one installed and tuned for that price. I'll have to see pics of the PCIII and receipts on this one....... Not that I don't believe you, I don't believe them(your dealership) yet. I don't trust em very far most of the time.....
Pros for PCIII
1st, the PCIII is cheaper then the PIMM/FIMAK because it is $250 and the P/F is around $450 so a $200 savings. 2nd, the PCIII would be very easily tuned on a Dynojet dyno...the PCIII can plug directly into the dyno and actually alter the map while the bike is running! Regardless of mods your bike should be dialed in within 2 pulls...assuming the dynojet you are on has this added feature pack from dynojet.
Cons...Personally I do not like it sitting there under the seat...I know, they have been running them for a while on different bikes...just seems vulnerable there (mud, water, cracking display, etc). I do not really care for the "line tap" in the TPS sensor.
Pros for P/F...tuning module is seperate and kept safe...IMO easier to mess with in the field then a laptop (If you are going to try tuning on your own...not me!). Ability to have 2 maps installed and quickly switch between them. Used by factory Suzuki (pro for some personally I could care less).
Cons...more difficult to dial in on a dyno but I still think you would have it in 4-5 pulls. Costs more then PCIII. Nothing "solid" to cover the 9 pinn connector...could get packed with mud/water/sand (fix-buy a cheap 9 pinn connecter and cut the end off, screw it on and leave it for protection).
I have been trying to research the two units and there is just not enough information on the net regarding the two of them. I think one would have to buy both units then provide a report.
THIS IS IMPORTANT: I can not see anything one unit can do the other unit can not by reading through all the tutorials and instructions for both units.
All this is just my opinion but honestly I would say it is close to a toss up with the edge going to the PCIII for price.
1st, the PCIII is cheaper then the PIMM/FIMAK because it is $250 and the P/F is around $450 so a $200 savings. 2nd, the PCIII would be very easily tuned on a Dynojet dyno...the PCIII can plug directly into the dyno and actually alter the map while the bike is running! Regardless of mods your bike should be dialed in within 2 pulls...assuming the dynojet you are on has this added feature pack from dynojet.
Cons...Personally I do not like it sitting there under the seat...I know, they have been running them for a while on different bikes...just seems vulnerable there (mud, water, cracking display, etc). I do not really care for the "line tap" in the TPS sensor.
Pros for P/F...tuning module is seperate and kept safe...IMO easier to mess with in the field then a laptop (If you are going to try tuning on your own...not me!). Ability to have 2 maps installed and quickly switch between them. Used by factory Suzuki (pro for some personally I could care less).
Cons...more difficult to dial in on a dyno but I still think you would have it in 4-5 pulls. Costs more then PCIII. Nothing "solid" to cover the 9 pinn connector...could get packed with mud/water/sand (fix-buy a cheap 9 pinn connecter and cut the end off, screw it on and leave it for protection).
I have been trying to research the two units and there is just not enough information on the net regarding the two of them. I think one would have to buy both units then provide a report.
THIS IS IMPORTANT: I can not see anything one unit can do the other unit can not by reading through all the tutorials and instructions for both units.
All this is just my opinion but honestly I would say it is close to a toss up with the edge going to the PCIII for price.
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