[dakar]

hey
dunno if anyone has tried riding with 22 inch rear tires with 23 inch fronts , just wondering if the ltr can pull these size tires on the stock gearing comfortably with full exhaust system , lid off and cb,
i am gonna be racing desert style events where there is a lot of wide open hard pack , as well as wide open soft sand tracks , that ill be running in 5th, just wondering does it bog down in 5th , im not bothered about uphills or slower technical stuff cause i can always down shift , its just that ive been hearing lots of stuff that the ltr cant pull the bigger tires , im not looking at lowering the gear ratio, cause that defies the point , im looking for as much top speed as i can get
so will it be smarter to go for 20inch rears and stock gearing and keep the revs real high in 5th or go for 22 inch rears and get lower revs but maybe a bit more top speed
thanks guys
seb
how come the yam450 and honda 450 all seem to be running 22s in the bajas no problem??

 

[SandJunkie]

Dakar..it's like anything else ya race..it's all in the gearing...ask OKTRX about that...he did an excellent thread on it...run a search...very informative...

 

[Kwad Gawd]

Dakar..it's like anything else ya race..it's all in the gearing...ask OKTRX about that...he did an excellent thread on it...run a search...very informative...
[/b]

For 22s you'll need to drop the front down to a 13t, and raise the rear two teeth.
Why don't you get the new GNCC Holeshot 21" tires - 22s are way too big.

 

[dakar]

i would love those gnccs in 21 inch rears and 22 fronts but i live in the middle east and dont have much choice here , and the companies i spoke to in usa dont have any in stock anyways ,do you know who stocks or is selling them ??
anyways i just bought a set of xct holeshots here today cause they were the last set in stock so im gonna be trying it out with the 22s for myself , i need as much top speed as i can get with putting the miniumn stress on the engine , basicillay not having to rev too high , so i would rather have a set of 22s with lower revs on the engine than 20 where i need to keep the throtttle wide open, you get where im going with this , ill be racing a 6 day rally here , which is mostly high speed racing and i need my engine to last the 6 days of abuse
ill let ya know how these tires do on the ltr with stock gearing and with the 13t front , if not satisfied ill stick them on the banshee and get some holeshots HDs or Gnccs , we will see...
thanks though
seb

 

[RCwhat]

22's may rub on the heel guards. i have 21'' mud sharks (blew a stocker and had these sitting on my old 300ex) on the rear of mine and they BARELY clear the stock heel guards. my gearing is still stock right now with just the baffle out of the stock exhaust and it'll still pull 5th, obviously not as hard as the stock tires but its not like it just bogs down or anything when shifting to 5th.

 

[dakar]

yeah i figured it would rub those huge dumbo ear heel guards , i might just remove the plastic and run with the aluminium bit for a while untill my nerfs arrive , thanks

 

[varmint]

When people talk about things like this the thing there not looking at is the trans gearing the ltr has pretty tall gearing so no it does not do well with 21" & 22" tires but you dont need them you could run 20" with 14-36 and have unreal top end you will lose a lot of bottom end but if thats what you want do it but there is a reason that an ltr with 13-36 and 18" tires will be very close to a yfz or 450r and that is the gearing get your owners manual out and look at the gearing then check online at the yfz gearing and compare.

 

[YFZ450 Blaster Racer]

Well u could always buy a pipe to get back that lost power on the bottom, (if u get bigger tires and change gearing).

 

[dakar]

varmint , when i had my raptor660 i had put a one tooth bigger countershaft sprocket , as well i ran 22s instead of the the stock twentys and , i was gaining bigtime on the guys with stock gearing and 22s on the straights , its my first time to buy any 450 quad and its a whole diffrent game that im trying to get used to , what im trying to say is moving from 18 rears to 22 rears on the ltr should give me similar gearing to moving from 20s to 22s as well as 1 tooth larger countershaft sprocket, i havent tried my new 22s , but the reason i went for this size is cause im racing flat out desert and there are no technical sections at all in the races i race the most technical would probably require 3rd or min 2nd gear and thats it, it just seems really close wth the ltr , i mean it seems like ive got to get the gearing spot on or else ... ill try them out and let ya know , yeah im still sock now im sure when my new pipe and proflow come in it will be a lot bettter...

 

[tlronny]

What sort of speeds are you after ?
If all you want is around 80-85 mph then just a shift to 20" tires should do the trick I would have thought but anything higher will need either 22" or more revs.
Surely an LTR can pull 22" tires to 90+ mph with just a 1 tooth drop on the front.
You will need to to do something with those guards though !

Our australian cousin 'cowchaser' may have some input here as he has some high speed experience I think ?

 

[dakar]

yeah ill have to try getting in touch with him , i believe he waanted to race the finke desert race eh , i used to live in melbourne and used to watch the finke each year and drool cause i wanted to race it so bad , but student budgets suck eh , now im back home and can finally start racing again,
you kiwis are quite nuts as well with some of the races and machines that you turn up to race with , whats that crazy hillclimb , like the pikes peak??
got any pics of those crazy machines?
cheers for the help
seb

 

[Rich S]

yeah ill have to try getting in touch with him , i believe he waanted to race the finke desert race eh , i used to live in melbourne and used to watch the finke each year and drool cause i wanted to race it so bad , but student budgets suck eh , now im back home and can finally start racing again,
you kiwis are quite nuts as well with some of the races and machines that you turn up to race with , whats that crazy hillclimb , like the pikes peak??
got any pics of those crazy machines?
cheers for the help
seb
[/b]

many of us run 21" paddles for dunning. Most of us also run 13T front sprockets. I would think you should have no problems running a light weight tire in a 22" but if its a really heavy knobbie, then you may have some trouble pulling the weight up top.

 

[tlronny]

you kiwis are quite nuts as well with some of the races and machines that you turn up to race with , whats that crazy hillclimb , like the pikes peak??
got any pics of those crazy machines?
cheers for the help
seb
[/b]

Race To The Sky !

The winner Ffitch used to ride professionally over in the States about 10 yrs ago

 

[dakar]

mate thathas got to be some of the crasiest shite ive ever seen , dropping in a huge 4cyl roadbike engine into a quad , and then bolting up a few wings and hope it doesnt take off from the hill you are trying to climb , absolutely nuts....
would be amazing to watch it though..

 

[AL KAABI]

i would love those gnccs in 21 inch rears and 22 fronts but i live in the middle east and dont have much choice here , and the companies i spoke to in usa dont have any in stock anyways ,do you know who stocks or is selling them ??
anyways i just bought a set of xct holeshots here today cause they were the last set in stock so im gonna be trying it out with the 22s for myself , i need as much top speed as i can get with putting the miniumn stress on the engine , basicillay not having to rev too high , so i would rather have a set of 22s with lower revs on the engine than 20 where i need to keep the throtttle wide open, you get where im going with this , ill be racing a 6 day rally here , which is mostly high speed racing and i need my engine to last the 6 days of abuse
ill let ya know how these tires do on the ltr with stock gearing and with the 13t front , if not satisfied ill stick them on the banshee and get some holeshots HDs or Gnccs , we will see...
thanks though
seb
[/b]

Congra DAKAR for having the LTR ..!!! Very Nice Quad

For any modification that you need as you are living in UAE .. you can always contact me and ask for anything. I can take care for your orders.


I know that you want to try to race the next desert challenge .. it is a long long race and need all you power and to be in good shape to complete it .. you will race like 1500 miles through one of the toughest desert. And you need a well built Quad.

For The LTR , I think the GNCC is the best choice 22 front and 21 rear .. The sprocket should be stock so you can get a good average speed. or you should add one tooth @ the rear .. I don't recommend to drop any @ the front.

You have a real challenge as you want to race with the LTR .. because it was designed for super cross, motocross and short courses . not for very very long distance. You have a high rev Engine , with small stroke and big Light piston. I don’t know but I think this engine will not hold on if you push it to the limit for 6 days.

Another challenge is the Fuel tank .. you really need a big one with extra reservoir @ Front and @ the Back. Still I cant find one for you.

Also Conceder that you need to find a modified Desert Style seat with higher position. It is not made yet and you may custom made it.

Don’t say that you will race it with stock components .. you should change the tuff stiff stock shocks with another high performance shocks like Elka , custom Axis or a special order Fox EVOL X

You may also need to change the upper ARM for better handling and adjusting the Camper and caster for the new tire setting and shocks. Or you should change the ARMS with LONG Travel to give you more clearance and better handling.
There is a failure @ the rear shock frame points with a failure @ the Linkage. To solve this problem you should gusset the frame at that points to enhance and strength them. And try to find better linkage for more travel. It happened (I saw some Problems not Much) that there is a breaking points and believe me you don’t want that to be happened while you are @ the nowhere in the desert.

There is a lot of things you should conceder before you race this beautiful Quad , but I suggest you build it for MX as you are also an MX Racer. I can build it for you with the best terms and conditions.
For The Desert challenge , I think you should go with other Quad like 2005 TRX450 , which proved to be the best on these kind of races ,and if you want me to get you one with good price let me know. NOT the 2006/2007 but the 2004/2005. and if we fail to find new one we can get the 2007 and stroke it/change the piston style with higher skirt (TRX Style) for more reliability.
Sorry guys and no offence ,I love the LTR 450 but I think it is an MX dominator not more than that. And if you want my advice, prepare your LTR for a serious MX racing, and with your skills (you are very well known as you are one of the craziest skilled rider in UAE) you will be sure that you will take the Podium for your self . Let me know if you want me to build it for you and convert it to WALSH/NMOTION Extreme MX LTR450. PM me if you are intrested

 

[dakar]

hey al kaabi ,
how are you , thanks a lot for all the great information , like you said the only thing that i have been worrying about even since before i bought the ltr is whether or not it will last the 6 days of the desert challenge , so for this reason i am getting a complete spare bike for the race , if i am feeling like i have been pushing the engine too much i will just swap engines after the third or fourth day , im not too worried about that
i have ordered nearly all my stuff already from fuel , the only thing left is the ims petrol tank which is not released yet , i spoke to ims they said it will be available very soon , so thats no problem , as for the extra petrol tank on the back ,i have designed one to go where the exhaust is made from aluminium, up high and under the seat , it will come up to under the grab bar , then i will modify the exhaust so that it is on the right where its is on yam and hon 450 , this bike is actually a lot easier to design fuel tank because there is no battery under the seat so lots of space, i will also need another fuel pump and cut off switch , if this design will not work i will bw using 2 aluminium cylinders on the nerf bars also with fuel pump , i have already started building the bike for the november race so i will have plenty of time to test everything to the max , because last time i did the challenge in 2003 on a raptor i had a lot of trouble with my extra petrol tank , this time a have a lot more experience in engineering so it will help a lot
i also bought 22 inch xct holeshot tires i didnt try them yet because i am in europe now on holiday but i will be back in dubai in a week and i will let you know how they went , if they are too big , i will put them on my banshee , and i will try to get son 20 or 21 inch rears
as for the suspension , i would love to get some lt a arms and nice shocks but i just dont have the money , im still at university and a managed to get a sponsor but it was barely enough to cover the cost of the bike , but never the less the stock suspension is pretty damn good... listen i came second in the bajas this season on a banshee with stock suspension and 450 shocks in the front , and so riding the ltr is like sitting in a cadillac sooo smooth
anyways will go riding sometime , keep the info coming
cheers seb
oh yeah if i had the choice i would get a bombardier or raptor 700 or honda450 the desert challenge and keep the ltr for mx...bas shoo sawi

 

[AL KAABI]

Good Luck Dakar , and I am sure we will meet soon.
Keep up the good work and be sure you do it right .. this year there is a lot of others working hard to have the best setting on there Quads .. aks me .. I know hat is going on out there ..!!

 

[Elfro]

post some pictures of your fuel mods. I'd really like to see them.

Also keep us posted. The preparations sound as exciting as the race!

 

[dakar]

i havent recieved my parts yet , but i should be getting everything within a few weeks , got so much good stuff coming in from bumper, skids ,intake ,exhaust, stem, nerfs ,stabilizer ,tank ,tires, wheels,bars ,grapix , pretty much the full works
fuel has helped me out bigtime with all the parts ,especially that im all the way on the other side of the world
cant wait to get the bike together and post pix ,im gonna do a sort of step by step thing cause im gonna be doing a lot of custom aluminium work as well in terms of extra fuel tanks , water tank and gps and road book holder ,ill see if i can can post some pix of my raptor that i raced in the same race a few years ago just so you can get an idea of whats coming...
seb